Dramatic fail

The New York Times does Dutch multiculturalism. And fails. Dramatically.

There are so many things wrong with this piece, from the conspicuously one-sided selection of rent-a-quotes to the utter failure to understand even the basics of the Dutch mind-set, I hardly know where to start.

But let me make just one observation: Any publication that states the following is no more a reliable source of information as is the drunken loud-mouth at the far end of the bar on a late Wednesday night at the pub.
Mr. Wilders’ Freedom Party, which combines racist language with calls for more social spending, won 15.5 percent of the vote in June 2010. He was recently acquitted of charges of hate speech for comparing the Koran to “Mein Kampf” and calling mosques “palaces of hatred.” He wants all immigrants and their children deported and warns of the supposed Muslim plot to create “Eurabia.”
Emphasis is mine. That bit is an outright lie. It is not easy to invalidate. Proving a negative never is. It is not a 'selective interpretation' of Wilders' past statements. It is not a slight hyperbole, which can be explained away by some judicious use of links and quotes. But an untruth it is. A brazen, shameless lie, without any foundation whatsoever.

With that one quote the NYT has terminally disqualified itself from commenting on Dutch affairs. How did that ever get past the fact-checking (assuming such procedures still exist at the NYT)? This is so conspicuously and demonstrably untrue, that no Dutch newspaper, not even the most left of activist, leftist newspaper (think Trouw) would dare write this. Writing such tripe would mean instant destruction of any shred of credibility it has left.

The NYT evidently has given up any pretence of being a newspaper. It has joined the ranks of cheap activist agitprop rags. Is it any wonder an industry that allows such failure is a failing industry?

[UPDATE001] Just in from the KV mailbox, some US liberal clever dick (how the hell did he/she find this place?) telling me my argument is void, because I refuse to demonstrate the NYT falsehood.

I beg to differ. The burden of proof lies with the NYT and all those that support that (dish)rag: Show me the speech, article, or interview where Mr. Wilders states his resolution to deport 'all immigrants and their children'. Until such time, which is going to be somewhere around the time sub-zero temperatures are recorded in hell, the argument as well as my assessment of the NYTs' quality stands. Period.

15 reacties:

Albert8184 zei

If it is any consolation, not many people in America take the NYT too seriously.  They are a national joke.

Klein Verzet zei

Hi Albert,

If it is any consolation, not many people in America take the NYT too seriously.  They are a national joke.

Not to everyone, apparently. See the update.

Albert8184 zei

Leftists would certainly take the NYT seriously on a story like this.  But,  then again, the left does not represent the majority of Americans.  As you said, they are a representative of a failing industry in America.

I would say that, of the perhaps 40 percent of Americans who are truly progressive left, only half of them at most are "intelligently" progressive left.  In other words, they understand the leftist agenda, it's implications and it's aims, and still accept it.  But the remaining half of left leaning voters in America - blacks for example - don't actually want the left to win in their ultimate aims.  They just don't realize it.  They are useful idiots and dupes.

Klein Verzet zei

Leftists would certainly take the NYT seriously on a story like this. But, then again, the left does not represent the majority of Americans.

Neither do they in Europe, but they still set the agenda. And unfortunately the NYT is still taken quite seriously over on this side of the Big Pond.

Bernd zei

The NYT articel is not merely one sides in the sense that it does not, in anyway shine a light on the day to day circumtances the dutch general public have to live with crime from large groups of predominantly muslim youth beginning with the fact that those boys call dutch/caucasian women "whore" (and in several instances even treat them that way) and spit at them for the mere fact that they can. And that's onluy a small start of the complaints. Maybe the  NYT, a paper in the land of the free, should pay attention to the fact that in The Netherlands several basic human rights have become straind due tot he fact that a large portion of the muslim populace wishes for basic human rights to be interpreted differently for them. Maybe, just maybe the NYT, a paper in the land where freedom of speech is nearly without boundaries, shouild pay attention to the fact that in The Netherlands, and indeed in Europe, free speech has become victim of the muslim populace whenever a piece of art (depicting a pig or 'brotherly love') or a cartoon (depicting who ever similar to Muhammed) or an newspaper article critical of politcal islam in the sense that the hospital, museum, cartoonist of politicianis under constant threat of violence. Maybe the NYT should extrapolate the European situation, of which they show they don't know a thing, to what would happen in de US if muslims in the US would behave the same way. And don't forget "it is just a space for prayer that they wish to build on Ground Zero"

Henry Morgan zei

I'm British (Welsh not English) / and I know you Duttch don't understand why we, of all people, put up with Islam. Frankly we don't understand why you Dutch do.Of course, relatively few of us use the blogs ... and it's a waste of time looking for factual news from Holland in the MSM. I know the shit that 'appens, but most people I speak with haven't a clue

Henry Morgan zei

What is really depressing becaus I know it means war for all of us one of these days ... and who would all of you Europeans look to for leadership?

Klein Verzet zei

Hiya Sir HM, 't is been a while. Hope you are well.

Who is this 'you Europeans' you speak of? I daresay we nether-Germanic Bataves, Frisians and Saxons have a lot more in common with Briton Celts and Saxons and Scandinavian Angles and Saxons then we do with our Romanized counterparts to the south. If there is to be war (which I pray will not be) we are in this together.

But you are right: Many, many more should take to reading blogs instead of the dreck served up by our local news-stand.

Henry Morgan. zei

 yes, you're right; sorry about that. I won't do it again, and yes, we'll all be in it together. I rather fancy that the next Churcill will be a Dutchman, his army will be run by german generals, and his navy by /brit admirals.

and thank for asking ... getting old - 60 next year. Don't say "that's not old" because it feels it. Mind you, I did have a stroke last year and that , I'm pretty sure, doesn't help.

Henry Morgan zei

Well, and Dutch admirals, if I recall my history at all well. Hard men and very capable indeed.

Henry Morgan zei

...and can you belive that we seem to better informed by radio Russia than by the BBC.

DP111 zei


Long time no hear.

Klein Verzet zei

Ouch, that is bad news. I'm sorry to hear that. Hope you recovered fully, with no lingering damage?

Henry Morgan zei

Ah, hello DP. I've been around, seeing your comments most days at Gandalf's place, and occasionally at EURef. I don't comment much anywhere no because of two things - 1/ I seem to have some crossed wiring between brain and right hand, and 2/ I keep forgetting words (always remember later ... but usually too late). Simple words at that.

I still feel the same as I always did about islam and, thanks to your introduction to Lawrence Auster (who I read every day as a way of learning a little of American politics and personalities)I am now a confirmed believer in isolationism. I'm still in the BNP, but am not in agreement with any of them about anything much at all. FIRST PRORITY I now believe to be the EU ... we cannot sort islam out until we leave the EU; not legally anyway. And we should just leave, no negotiation whatsoever. As for the moslems, we should steal nothing from them, and hurt none of them ... (not even Chaudary or Izadeen)- it's not as if we're moslems is it  but they have to leave straight away, all of them. Indigenous conversions have to go live forever on St. Kilda (or anywhere else that will immediately accept them). They will be safe there because we'll have permanent navy patrols to ensure no one goes and troubles them (that's the excuse for the patrols anyway, even though you may think it's just to stop them escaping back to the mainland).

Let's think about the Norwegian - Anders - for a little. The only person who's ever made clear he thinks just like me - our REAL enemies look like us, sound like us and even went to the same schools as us. I don't blame a Nigerian nigger for being here; given similar circumstances I would do the same thing ... however,he's got to leave immediately The people that permitted and encouraged him to come here - they are the REAL enemy, and I can understand killing their young - how else do you stop nits growing into lice? And I disagree that they were children. They were all at least 15. I enlisted at 15 as a tech apprentice at RAF Halton, and I certainly didn't think I was a child ... and evidently, neither did this society. It was different back in those days.

Good to hear from you directly. Keep up the battle. Hope I've typed this ok (have had to do a lot of editing)


ecks why zei

Geert Wilders gets alot of flack from politically correct idiots in USA, sadly enough time will prove them wrong and Geert right

muslims do not assimilate into western society because islam is a theocracy and demands supremacy. there is no radical, moderate, hijacked or any other nuanced semanticism type of islam. there is only islam which is based on the life of a murdering 7th century warlord.

the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

see the links in the pdf version below for more accurate info about islam==========

islam is a horrible ideology for human rights

5 key things about islam

1. mythical beliefs - all religions have these (faith) because its part of being a religion: having beliefs without proof until after the believer dies. the problem is people will believe almost anything.

2. totalitarianism - islam has no seperation of church and state: sharia law governs all.  there is no free will in islam: only submission to the will of allah as conveniently determined by the imams who spew vapors to feather their own nests. there are no moderate muslims: they all support sharia law.

3. violence - islam leads the pack of all religions in violent tenets for their ideology & history: having eternal canonical imperatives for supremacy at all costs and calling for violence & intimidation as basic tools to achieve these goals.

4. dishonesty - only islam has dishonesty as a fundamental tenet: this stems from allah speaking to mohamhead & abrogation in the koran which is used to explain how mo's peaceful early life was superseded by his warlord role later.

5. misogyny - present day islam is still rooted in 8th century social ethics: treating females as property of men good only for children, severely limiting their activities, dressing them in shower curtains and worse.

conclusions ??

there really are NO redeeming qualities for this muddled pile of propaganda.

islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

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